So where the Hell is he?

Old Dennis Kucinich is on this video asking that same question. People have offered to buy President Obama, comfortable shoes even. After all that’s what he said he was going to do.
It all generates from what he promised while he was running for office. He said he’d be there with the Unions protesting.
Ah huh! Now I know shit happens and he isn’t supposed to side with or against a State. Well he’s to damn politically correct for me. Come on Obama, these are the people who put you in office. Pretend you give a shit about them. He’s just another political hack, I’m afraid. He said he’s now in search of his base. Well who the hell is advising you now that Rahm has been made King of Chicago.

Now even if he really couldn’t come to the site, he could start an investigation as to corruption involving the Koch’s and the pea brained ass hat that’s governor, Scott Walker. Yes the tea party darling of hemorrhoids.
He should be investigated and charged with crimes against the State. This would include collusion with the Koch Brothers. If only we had a real Attorney General instead of Howard Sprague the milk toast from Mayberry.

Sorry folks, Obama is useless. The term tits on a boar hog come to mind when I think of him. Mr. President, a little advise, you don’t have to look far for your base, pay a visit to Wisconsin. They might even feed you Pizza.

When people stay home 2012, him and his band of Merry men will blame us lefties. We caused it. ah huh…
I have a feeling, if he doesn’t make some sort of effort to show his support for the workers, he can kiss them goodbye.
scaredstiff

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24 Responses to So where the Hell is he?

  1. Gwendolyn H. Barry says:

    I like Dennis. Always have. My sister campaigned for him. He was her choice. LOL

  2. Mycue23 says:

    I’m sure it’s not a popular position, but frankly I have no sympathy for the people of Wisconsin. They brought all this on themselves. They got rid of one of the most important voices in the Senate in Russ Feingold and they voted in this idiot into the Gov’s mansion. They had the opportunity to make their voices heard at the ballot box and they decided to stay home. Who’s to blame for that? The President? I think not. The same people who sat on their hands after the presidential election thinking that their job was done, and stayed home for the midterms are now up in arms that the world isn’t working for them. Politicians are only moved by two things, the money men in Washington and mass and/or very loud movements by the people. Sitting home doesn’t move anything. So I ask all those people marching and protesting in Wisconsin; Where were you on election day? Probably sitting home to prove a point. And what point have you proved exactly?

    • Stimpson says:

      It’s one thing to be angry with people for “sitting on their hands” at election time, quite another to think that justifies letting them have their collective bargaining rights taken away.

      • Mycue23 says:

        Actions (or in the case of Wisconsin voters, lack thereof) have consequences. Crying over milk that they spilled themselves does not exactly lead me to have a lot of sympathy for their cause. Yes it’s terrible that the state employees had their collective bargaining rights taken away, but where was all this passion before the election? Where were the mass demonstrations? Where were the people demanding their rights? I’ll tell you where they were, they were home in front of their TV’s and Computers complaining that the President hadn’t “changed” their lives. When the President said “We are the change we’ve been waiting for”, he meant WE THE PEOPLE. We are supposed to make change happen. When we sit back and complain and moan and refuse to vote to prove some self serving point, WE THE PEOPLE end up with shit. The President can’t do shit unless we make him do it. You want the President to go to Wisconsin, then MAKE HIM GO THERE! Don’t sit back and complain that he’s not there. You want to make the President take a tougher stand against the Republicans? THEN MAKE HIM DO IT! Don’t sit around and write about what he’s not doing. As FDR said, MAKE ME DO IT.

        Yes, the cause of the unions is worthy of our attention and our efforts, but don’t blame the President for not taking sides in that dispute. THE PEOPLE of Wisconsin had a chance to end this problem before it started

        • Mycue23 says:

          And they didn’t do it.

        • scaredstiff says:

          Just a quick note…that’s what we’re trying to do..make him…
          FDR first said that, it was true then and it is now. Exactly what we’re trying to do. Summed it up well!

    • scaredstiff says:

      MyCue I’ve written that they got what they deserve in earlier post. Then I saw the real consequences of it and said …….Damn…..that Governor is nuts. Bought and paid for by Koch. So I do feel sorry for the people.
      This I think is the test for Democracy. I mean if this catches on, Ohio, New Jersey and all those southern States will be a big Walmart. Yeah dude the voters fucked up, I scratch my head and wonder how people like Bachmann get any votes. I know different State but the same brain pattern. It’s so sad really. BUT and that’s a big butt, nothing personal…lol this may be the impetus we were looking for, something to get the left off their ass and do something.
      So I get where your coming from. Let’s forgive them and help the ball to move even further. Hey how was that for upbeat? Oh and Obama? I’m sure he can send signs of his approval. This is a good opportunity to galvanize the base. Just my Opinion and thanks for yours.

    • Gwendolyn H. Barry says:

      But Michael, are you really saying that because folks were disappointed with the job of their President and so representing Democrats lack luster during the elections of 2010 and now facing the railroading they are right now…. is just deserts?
      That’s extraordinarily cynical.
      They won’t be sitting home for the next couple of elections… who knows which way they will vote on big tickets… People are galvanized. This is good thing. Apologist politics are shrinking daily.

      • Mycue23 says:

        I would hope that this serves as a wake up call to those who would say that there is no difference between a democrat and a republican. I hope this serves as a wake up call to those in Wisconsin who would vote out a dedicated public servant like Russ Feingold. I hope this serves as a wake up call to all those who would rather complain that take a positive action to change their circumstances. I hope this serves as a wake up call to all those who think that voting for a President is all it takes to change their lives.
        If this bitter lesson is what it takes for the people of Wisconsin to be energized to take action, then it may just have been worth it. I would hope that this serves as a lesson for the rest of the country too, but most often WE THE PEOPLE are only concerned with ME AND MY PEOPLE.

        • Stimpson says:

          “Wake-up call,” I understand. But are you really saying that working-class people deserve to have their collective bargaining rights taken away?

          If your answer is Yes, you’re no better than Scott Walker. If your answer is No, then you shouldn’t have started your rant with “…frankly I have no sympathy for the people of Wisconsin.”

  3. I’m with MyCue on the situation in Wisconsin.

    Secondly, there is no way I want my president involved in local affairs, and I certainly don’t want him co-opting the judicial branch of government by ordering some sort of investigation.

    Finally, those who “stay home” in 2012 because of their deep and abiding hatred of Obama lose their right to bitch about the Republican who may live in the Oval Office. Democrats need to be together as a team to fight the Right and this level of vitriol is harmful.

    • scaredstiff says:

      Ahh your so wrong about this. The judicial branch of Government is the supreme court, which he does not control. I’m sure he suggest to Holder who and how is in the cross hairs. Looking at history, I’d bring up The Kennedy’s. Obama involved in local affairs, to late…he already had to have a beer summit. The last thing is the use of the word hatred, disappointment yes. Most actually like the guy.
      Many are still hoping he’ll see the light and change course. Sure some have given up on him. Let’s just take Wisconsin, all those people demonstrating for their rights. A nod by the Pres. would do wonders for moral. If he continues to be missing in action, they will remember and might choose to do the same election time. Nawww we’re miles apart on this. Warren 2012

  4. Gwendolyn H. Barry says:

    Yes Tim…. right on about the ‘hatred’ thing. It’s deep disappointment and then doing the natural thing… moving on. Nobody I know hates the President.

  5. Stimpson says:

    Peculiar how some people dishonestly conflate disappointment and hatred, say people who are disappointed with Obama are filled with hatred, then appeal for “teamwork” with the very people they’ve just branded as hate-filled.

  6. Mycue23 says:

    Stimpson,
    This isn’t about what the people of Wisconsin “deserve”. It’s about what THEY voted for. THEY voted for this guy. or THEY chose to stay home and not take part in the process. THEY voted for his policies. or THEY chose to let someone else decide what policies would be enacted. THEY are to blame. Not the President, not the Congress, not the Senate. There is lots of blame to go around for the situation that they find themselves in, but it doesn’t reach beyond the borders of the state. If THEY want to look for the reason THEY find themselves in their current condition, all THEY have to do is look at themselves in the mirror.
    I have lots of sympathy for the teacher, or fireman who has had their collective bargaining rights taken away. (I have no sympathy for the policemen but that comes from personal experience and is a story for another day). But they are same voters who discarded Russ Feingold like a used napkin. THEY knew what they were voting for and they did it anyway.
    Also, I’m sure my reasoning is a little different than Scott Walker’s, but that being said, I would never claim to be better than anyone (Scott Walker included).

    • Stimpson says:

      If you’re saying the working class deserve to have their collective bargaining rights taken away, you are effectively not different from Scott Walker. If you don’t think they deserve that, you should be opposing it.

      Collective bargaining rights are not and should not be for any government or employer to take away, so it’s wrong to argue that the people of Wisconsin voted for that.

      As a Democrat, you should be standing up for working people’s rights. Otherwise, just how are you different from the Republicans?

      • Mycue23 says:

        Stimpson,
        If the people of a state vote for a candidate who they know is anti-union, and vote that candidates party a majority in their state legislature, then what exactly do they expect that Governor to do once he is in office? My sympathies for those affected (except the police) notwithstanding, but they did vote for this. Once again, I’m not making a judgment as to whether they deserve or don’t deserve this. I’m just saying that this is what they voted for (or as I’ve stated before, decided not to vote as some sort of “cut off my nose to spite my face” kind of move).
        The majority of voters (who bothered to show up on election day) decided that they wanted an anti-union/pro business Governor. And they got it. And they also voted in a majority of Republicans into their legislature. I would argue that this is exactly what the people of Wisconsin wanted.
        I believe that for many years all that stood between the workers and the unbridled greed of big business was the unions. Collective bargaining was gained at significant cost to those who fought those battles. The middle class was built on the back of the gains that the unions made. That being said, how on earth can a state like Wisconsin which is filled with people who clearly know better, vote in a Governor and legislature so opposed to the very ideals which built the middle class in this country? I can’t answer that, but vote them in they did.
        I do feel for those people losing their collective bargaining rights (once again, except the police) but either through their silence, or through their vote, a majority decided on this utterly destructive course of action. This is democracy in action. The people spoke and the legislature acted. I can only hope that the voters of Wisconsin realize the error of their ways and correct this, but that remains to be seen.

        • Krell says:

          MyCue23, you make an excellent point. But then again, how could McCarthyism go on for so long way back when. Joe McCarthy was voted in as well and but yet everyone knows that it was a terrible period in American politics. When the President gave his speech, talking about how he would walk alongside the Unions in solidarity and support them in their hard fought battles, just where was he proposing that would be?

          It had to be in some state, didn’t it? To suggest that he should stay out of states business, doesn’t that nullify any kind of support that Obama could give? Just where was this walking along side going to take place? In other words, just another empty promise made by Obama. When it came to putting up, Where is Obama? When it comes to any ideals that this democratic President was elected to uphold… Where is Obama??? Where is Obama??

        • Stimpson says:

          Once more, with feeling:
          Collective bargaining rights are not and should not be for any government or employer to take away, so it’s wrong to argue that the people of Wisconsin voted for that.

          What part of those words is so hard to understand?

          You should be standing for workers’ rights, not refusing to stand for them because you’re bitter that over how some people are disappointed with your President.

  7. Mycue23 says:

    Stimpson,
    State employees are employed by the state. So they have contracts with the state. The state is not taking away collective bargaining rights from privately employed individuals. They are taking them away from their employees. Apparently it’s legal or else it could be, would be and should be challenged in their state courts. I haven’t seen their contracts, so I have no idea what the provisions are regarding their particular collective bargaining agreement.
    Krell and Stimpson,
    This isn’t about people being bitter or about justifying the President’s lack of action, this is about people accepting responsibility for creating their own mess. Rarely have I heard anyone call out the voters of the state for allowing this horrid state of affairs. Are WE THE PEOPLE responsible for anything? Or do things just happen? Did the people of Wisconsin just wake up one day to a Republican Governor and a Republican legislature? That sure as hell is how they’re acting. It’s like they’re saying, “I don’t know how this happened, this guy just fell out of the sky”! When they know damn well how it happened.
    I will say this again, I sympathize with all the state workers who lost their right to collective bargaining (except the police), but that does not change the fact that the majority of voters put this administration in place and they added a Republican legislature on top of that to make sure that the policies of the administration would be enacted.

    Trust me guys, I honestly don’t give a shit. If you think the President sucks, great. If you think the state workers in Wisconsin deserve your support, great. Frankly I’m sorry I got into this.

  8. osori says:

    Mad Mike,
    It’s really tiresome, your continually conflating dissent with hatred. You parrot words of support with little understanding of the issues, dismissing contrary opinions as treason.

    Mycue, I’m surprised at the vindictive tone, I know you’re better than that. The Democratic party takes its base for granted, that has been obvious for years. Some expressed dissatisfaction by not voting, some crossed party lines to vote for a worse alternative.
    Had the Democratic party been more responsive we wouldn’t be having this conversation. Had the people elected to continue to accept gradual rather than sudden loss of their rights, we also wouldn’t be having this conversation.

    It is what it is. I offer no solution, but I feel this is no time to show contempt for people fighting for their own economic well-being.

    • Mycue23 says:

      Oso,
      As with Stimpson, I will say that I never claimed to be nor do I think that I am better than whatever you think it is that I am better than. And seriously, is anyone going to admit that the folks in Wisconsin had any hand to play in the situation that they find themselves in? Or are we all just caught up in the sunshine wave of activism and disappointment with the President?
      Anyway, I think it’s time for me to make like a tree and get out of here.

  9. Gwendolyn H. Barry says:

    Well, Michael, I realize the complicity of the people of Wisconsin. And I see them taking responsibility for it… with a vengeance, as they say. That doesn’t diminish the arguments that leadership at the head of the Democratic party / meaning the White House / isn’t what has been stated here. It’s become a very circular argument… and that’s a shame. Speaking completely for myself… I do ‘get it’ that staying home apathetically during the last election because of the overwhelming disappointment in the President and Democrats in office has ‘cost them’ their union rights…. seems like a unfeeling and vacant position to take… they they ‘made their own bed, etc.’

    • mycue23 says:

      Gwen, I appreciate the acknowledgment of some complicity on the part of the people in Wisconsin. I feel for those workers who lost their bargaining rights. But when presenting the story there should be some acknowledgment of how we got to this point.

      Stimpson,
      You don’t know me so I would appreciate it if you stopped trying to ascribe motives to me or tell me how I should or shouldn’t act as a democrat or a republican or whatever it is you think I am. I presented my arguments based purely on the facts of the situation, but if you like to take it beyond that, I am happy to oblige.

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