Hope? Change? Some Reasons NOT to Support Obama


… Rendition and Human Rights Violations

When Chinese President Hu Jintao visited the US in January, President Obama soon brought the issue of human rights in China, in particular the circumstances of the 2011 Nobel peace Prize winner Liu Xiaobo, who was charged with suspicion of “inciting subversion” and was sentenced in December 2009 to 11 years in prison. The response from China when reprimanded on their human rights issues.. “Who are you to lecture us on such things? Look at your own country first.”

Ten months after his arrest on charges of leaking classified documents to WikiLeaks, Army Pfc. Bradley Manning is systematically being stripped of his humanity by his warders at the brig inside the Marine base at Quantico. Without a trial or conviction of crimes against the state, Private Manning is forced to endure punishment that certainly fits the definition of torture. He is being held in solitary confinement in a tiny cell 23 hours a day, allowed no exercise other than walking around dragging his ankle shackles during the 24th hour. Under surveillance, every single minute of every day, if his hands aren’t outside his blanket while sleeping, or if his head is turned toward the wall, the young soldier is awakened. This treatment certainly is not a new method created just for Private Manning. The same tactic was routinely employed by the notorious NKVD, the secret police of Lenin and Stalin, on Soviet dissidents in the basement of Moscow’s Lubyanka prison.

Hillary Clinton gives a speech in which she supported and encouraged protesters to continue asserting their rights in various countries. She lectured about freedom and condemned governments who don’t allow free expression.

During this lecture, a former CIA analyst remained standing near the front of the crowd, in silent protest against Hillary Clinton and the establishment that she represents. All he did was stand up and turn his back as she lectured. He was quickly taken down, beaten and hauled to jail. Hillary never even blinked.

The speeches that Obama gave during his campaigning were inspiring. The thoughts of voters were…”George W. Bush may have destroyed all credibility of the US in the world stage but this was our chance to go in a new direction, make things right again.” Obama words during one campaign speech..“I was clear throughout this campaign and was clear throughout this transition that under my administration the United States does not torture,” Obama said… “We will abide by the Geneva Conventions. We will uphold our highest ideals.”

When Obama gave a speech before the UN Human Rights Council in 2009… “Make no mistake, the United States will not look the other way in the face of serious human rights abuses. The truth must be told, the facts brought to light and the consequences faced”

In its first months in office, the Obama administration sought to protect Bush administration officials facing criminal investigation overseas for their involvement in establishing policies that governed interrogations of detained terrorist suspects. A “confidential” April 17, 2009, cable sent from the US embassy in Madrid to the State Department—one of the 251,287 cables obtained by WikiLeaks—details how the Obama administration, working with Republicans, leaned on Spain to derail this potential prosecution.

Meanwhile in the United States, Obama announced that he will not pursue prosecution of anyone involved from the CIA or other agencies. Politicians that publicly state they approved torture such as water-boarding and that it was routinely used, go on publicity tours and talk shows to sell books.

Less than a month after signing an executive order to close the Guantanamo Bay prison camp, President Obama has quietly agreed to keep the use of rendition and also to keep denying the right to trial for hundreds more terror suspects held at a makeshift camp in Afghanistan that human rights lawyers have dubbed “Obama’s Guantanamo.”

Far worse than Guantanamo, Bagram has approximately 600 prisoners being held in what is called only “Black Jail”, a secret prison where the Red Cross is denied access and any information requested by such groups such as the ACLU are categorically denied. In the secretive U.S. detentions process, suspects are usually nabbed in the darkness and then sent to one of a number of detention areas on military bases, often on the slightest suspicion and without the knowledge of their families. This process has become even more feared and hated in Afghanistan than coalition airstrikes. The night raids and detentions, little known or understood outside of these Pashtun villages, are slowly turning Afghans against the very forces they greeted as liberators just a few years ago.”

Even as Hillary Clinton spoke these words before the UN, the world continues to wait for the leader with the courage to act upon them.

“A commitment to human rights starts with universal standards and with holding everyone accountable to those standards, including ourselves… When injustice anywhere is ignored, justice everywhere is denied. Acknowledging and remedying mistakes does not make us weaker, it reaffirms the strengths of our principles and institutions.”

…Wall Street Reform and Culpability

President Obama pushed very hard for a financial reform bill, reached across the aisle – seemingly staking his presidency upon it. What he didn’t push very hard for, what he didn’t appear to push at all – were the actual parts of the package which might have effectively prevented another financial catastrophe.

The Brown-Kaufman amendment would have set hard size caps and hard capital requirements for banks. It lost 33-61 with 27 Democrats voting against it.

The Merkley-Levin amendment would have set capital requirements for hedge funds, banned proprietary trading and prevented the conflicts of interest that allowed banks to sell securities they knew to be toxic.It was attached to Brown-Kaufman and quietly killed.

The Volcker Rule to ban proprietary trading by FDIC-backed depository institutions wasn’t killed, instead it has been relegated to the Financial Stability Oversight Committee, a nine member group under control of the Fed. The FSOC has been tasked with preparing a report on how a possible Volcker Rule might be used. Also in the Fed will be the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau, Elizabeth Warren’s brainchild. She will not be the head but will have some input into how it will be administered.

Is it possible the Dodd-Frank financial reform bill is the best Obama could have delivered? We’ll never know. Obama certainly didn’t jawbone anyone to get Brown-Kaufman passed. He did nothing to prevent attacks on Warren by Dodd and Timmy Geithner. Had the president fought the good fight against an entrenched financial sector – really fought rather than making a fatcat speech then apologizing the next day during a conference call – he might not have gotten any more than the zero Dodd-Frank provides – but we’d have known he was more concerned with effective legislation than with his legacy.

Betrayal of Unions

As the unions collective bargaining powers were being stripped away in Wisconsin by Republican legislators, larger and larger groups of angry protesters were not just going to stand by and give up these hard earned tools that have been in place for decades. So they rallied at the Wisconsin State Capitol, day after day, trying to make their voices be heard.

Jackie Calmes reported in The New York Times: “When West Wing officials discovered that the Democratic National Committee had mobilized Mr. Obama’s national network to support the protests [in Wisconsin and Ohio], they angrily reined in the staff at the party headquarters.” The Times story goes on to say that administration officials saw the events beyond Washington as a “distraction” from the optimistic “win the future” message that the president unveiled in his State of the Union speech. He spent last Friday talking about the need to “educate and innovate” with Jeb Bush in Florida on one of the president’s begging-for-bipartisanship road shows.

That’s right – a Democratic president considers the men and women who have stood out in the cold in the Wisconsin winter to have a voice in their government a distraction from his positive message.

… Drone Attacks

Obama has initiated a policy of fighting the war in Afghanistan and into Pakistan that is increasingly relying on the use of “special forces” teams and remotely piloted drones. Growing from only 167 drones (unmanned aerial vehicles) in 2001, the U.S. Air Force now employs over 5,500 remotely piloted drones, many of which are used in Iraq and Afghanistan. The CIA, which lacks any transparency or accountability, employs their own drones for assassination missions in Pakistan. The Brookings Institute reports a 10-to-1 civilian-to-insurgent kill ratio when using drones. For every 100 civilians killed…. men, women and children, they kill 10 insurgents.

Loyola Law School professor David Glazier, a former Navy surface warfare officer, said the pilots operating the drones from afar could — in theory — be hauled into court in the countries where the attacks occur. Under this view, CIA drone pilots are liable to prosecution under the law of any jurisdiction where attacks occur for any injuries, deaths or property damage they cause,” Glazier continued. “But under the legal theories adopted by our government in prosecuting Guantanamo detainees, these CIA officers as well as any higher-level government officials who have authorized or directed their attacks are committing war crimes.”

Pure hypocrisy that the Obama administration is quick to condemn other governments for inhumane acts but contends that we have the right to do as we please and to keep our violations of international law and human decency from public view.

… Offshore Drilling and the BP Disaster

“We are tied to the ocean. And when we go back to the sea, whether it is to sail or to watch – we are going back from whence we came.” JFK

When I was 13, growing up on boats in the Caribbean basin, the Gulf of Mexico was my ‘exotic ocean’ where we would navigate mysterious places like ‘bayous’, passing beneath overhung moss on the St. Johns’ river inside of Florida.  The Gulf has been my guide, the ‘red, right, returning’ of Father Ocean as it swirled and traveled down through the sea grasses of the Dry Tortugas, skimming past Key West and snaking north between Bahamas, Bermuda and the east coast of the United States.  My lifelong boundary of ‘how far I could go’  … never day tripping past that unmistakable indigo depth with jeweled cobalt surfaces that you recognize as the Gulf Stream. I am tied to this holy place, this sacred Ocean … whence I came and where I will eventually return.

On April 20th at 7 am – BP cancels a recommended cement bond log test. Conducting the test would have taken 9–12 hours and $128,000. By canceling the cement test BP paid only $10,000. Crew leaves on 11:15 am flight.  BP officials gather on the platform to celebrate seven years without an injury on the rig.  The planned moving of the Deepwater Horizon to another location was 43 days past due and the delay had cost BP $21 million.

At 9:45 p.m. CDT – Gas, oil and concrete from the Deepwater Horizon explode up the wellbore onto the deck and then catches fire. The explosion kills 11 platform workers and injures 17 others; another 98 people survive without serious physical injury.  The next day the USCG arrived to asses the damages.  They ‘estimated’ that  “Potential environmental threat is 700,000 gallons of diesel on board the Deepwater Horizon and estimated potential of 8,000 barrels per day of crude oil, if the well were to completely blowout.Most of the current pollution has been mitigated by the fire. There is some surface sheening extending up to 2 miles from the source.”

One month later, after shortfall estimates of the number of barrels of crude escaping daily, the USCG and President Obama proceed to do what has turned out to be ineffective and totally whitewash remedies.  Per day, the guesstimate of independent oil drilling experts put the daily spoilage at anywhere between 70,000 to 100,000 barrels of crude a day.  The number of barrels escaping is lawfully directly effective to the payout damages dues by big oil.

They disputed the numbers and the USCG backed their play.   The USCG backed everything that BP began to cover up the damages including, on May 15th, the dispersal at source of the dangerous chemical dispersant, Corexit.   The carnage of sea life, aquatic bird life continues to this day and the last victim species to reveal life threatening illness are the human residents of the Gulf basin.  The EPA ordered BP to stop using Corexit on May 23rd and they ignored this with the complicity of the Oval Office in the form of the USCG allowing and working with BP to begin covering up what could be …????  They began to bury sand and keep the seas and airspace free of investigation.

Live broadcasts of the spill brought new totals of leakage that BP could not avoid and Obama was forced to make some kind of demand.  This demand, forced the US Gov to accept 18,000 to 20,000 barrels a day leakage estimate.   A moratorium on oil drilling in the Gulf was enforced by the White House on May 27th.  The summer of 2009 was a film noir of crude encrusted shorelines, ravaged sea life and birds and the deep sea puddles of crude / corexit death that consumed countless sea mammals.  The acid like effect of the corexit rolling onto the shorelines was ominous.

Republican dumbfucks run away from the science knowing it will cost BP precious profits and notably apologized to the petrochemical corporation for the congressional hearing on the event.  Unbelievably outrageous!   On June 15th the President addressed America on the spill with ersatz platitudes and vacant promises.   By now people are beginning to show symptoms of strange rashes, bloating, dizziness, lesions and hair loss.  The unacknowledged damages accruing were ignored by the MSM and the Oval Office.

The ensconced Republican dominant politico’s in the Gulf region typically used whatever issues they might for MSM time or blatantly began to support the cover ups and agenda of BP.  Haley Barbour designated a ‘commission’ to disperse the BP restoration monies among Rethug ‘small’ businesses at a press conference where Linda St. Martin trounced him with indignation and facts.  He let her ‘rant’ and then did exactly what he wanted to.  So it has gone with small exceptions like Gov Crist’s work to clean up the panhandle beaches of Florida. Small concessions have been made, that’s it.

Watershed volunteers, Hands Across the Sands, Costal Warriors and Save the Gulf have sprung up and are consistently working to raise awareness to the ever developing spoilage and death of the environment.  The University of Florida hired out a deep sea sub and grid inspected the deep / sea floor /  bathos of the Gulf.  The calculate 76% of bathos covered in crude and corexit.  Ongoing through the whole painful endlessness of it all, President Obama ineffectually responded to the needs of the imeadiate citizens of the region.

To this day, they have been swept under the corporate rug by the White House.  While there is presently talk of a law suit under the auspices of the Clean Water Act by the US Gov… it’s rings hollow.   March of 2011 has seen the reopening of deepwater drilling in the dead Gulf of Mexico.

Who do you think applied for and was given the first deepwater well permit?  BP!

It’s outrageous.  There have been and continue to be too many incidents to list here of crude / corexit destruction and death in the Gulf basin. Deepwater Horizon could very well end up costing the United States of America it’s complete health.   The careless profits of big oil, big coal, big natural gas are industrial murder sanctioned by Barack Obama. America will arrive DOA.

In the months following the Deepwater Horizon oil drilling rig that exploded on April 20, the Obama administration granted oil and gas companies at least 27 exemptions from doing in-depth environmental studies of oil exploration and production in the Gulf of Mexico. The waivers were granted despite President Barack Obama’s vow that his administration would launch a “relentless response effort” to stop the leak and prevent more damage to the gulf. One of them was dated Friday — the day after Interior Secretary Ken Salazar said he was temporarily halting offshore drilling.

… Obama the Illusion

The Obama that people voted for in 2008 is an illusion, a mirage. Just like the poor soul wandering in the desert in search of water, then suddenly seeing the oasis in the distance. A figment of  the imagination, spawned by the need for hope and change.

While Obama’s performance in the White House makes the Republican Party seem redundant, it’s the mirage that continues to be what people cling to. Over and over again, they constantly make excuses for the politician that doesn’t even exist.

“He’s doing the best he can” or “No politician is perfect” or “Progressives are not being realistic”.  Meanwhile the REAL Obama continues on with actions that would be screamed about as horrendous if George W. Bush were doing them.


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31 Responses to Hope? Change? Some Reasons NOT to Support Obama

  1. Gwendolyn H. Barry says:

    Well, congratulations team! It brings the reasons why onto the table for conversation… and that’s whats’ needed! Good job guys!

  2. Vigilante says:

    I like it. I like it fine!

  3. The Beekeeper's Apprentice says:

    Good work 🙂

  4. Vigilante says:

    Substantively, most of the grievances listed above vary between being micro-issues to mini-issues, IMHO. My major issue with him is that he carried out his campaign promise to SPLURGE in Afghanistan. That is the most retrogressive he could have done to us at the beginning of a recession/depression.

    • oso says:

      Like you I’m kind of a one-issue guy, hence my support of Ron Paul – whom I disagree with on every single issue BUT the wars and the empire. The thought of a parent unable to protect their children from US bombers and missiles and troops in some third world country fills me with dread and horror.

      BHO supports war.Period, end of story, end of transmission.

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  6. Morgalla says:

    I fail to see how allowing the despoilers of our gulf, who have reneged on their promises of restitution, back into there is a mini issue.

    This, from a supposedly pro-environment politician, is disgusting. Were this 20 years ago, he would rightfully be running on a moderate Republican ticket. Now, he has effectively destroyed the Democratic party. The people who voted him into office (many who were voting for the first time- and now may never want to vote again) did not get what they promised. Not even close.

    Sure, the Obama alternative is better than McCain would have been. But that does not mean he is the best option. We need a new, real, progressive candidate. Whatever idiot the Republicans and Tea Partiers manage to get nominated would still take a beating from someone like Bernie Sanders.

  7. Krell says:

    One of the points to be made with the post is to try to get a voice in the Democratic party.There was a time when the Democrats would actually develop a consensus at the primaries. They would have to take into consideration all of the viewpoints, especially ones with political power and voters behind it.

    These people that are saying that you do NOT HAVE A VOICE, that disagreeing with anything that Obama is doing is a vote for the Republicans is CRAP!!!

    The party has to bend to the voice of the people, it’s not the other way around. The Tea Party made the Republicans bend to their viewpoints and they didn’t even make sense.

    Saying that you disagree with the items on the post, the outrageous acts, but you will vote for Obama without challenging his performance at all is making a statement. The statement is the entire system is broke. That moral outrage must be put aside, kept silent, just to keep your half of the machine in power. Well there is another simpler phrase for that action, folks, and it’s called being a FUCKING SELLOUT.

    You are turning your back on those people that fought and died for their union struggles.

    You are turning your back to those innocents that are killed just because the happen to be in the area of a suspected terrorist.

    You are turning your back on the future generations that might want to enjoy the same coastal waters that you enjoyed.

    You are turning your back on the middle class of this country that are having the screws turn tighter and tighter with every scheme that Wall Street gets away with.

    You can twist it around, explain away the reasons, ridicule anyone that criticizes Obama. But that’s not going to change what it is.

    • oso says:

      Powerful words, Krell. Voting for Obama without even questioning what he’s done is indeed being a sellout, and a moral coward. You summed up why we need principles.

      I know we’re alienating people, good people – but if those good people have no problem with burning innocent people to death – well then so be it.

      Before God, I oppose murder of innocents in the name of political expediency.

  8. Jack Jodell says:

    It would be wonderful if Bernie Sanders were running for President, or even had a snowball’s chance in hell of winning. I, too, am big time disappointed with Obama. There is, however, one and only one reason to vote for him and not stay home or vote for a lesser candidate. Every time lefties or Democrats take a day off on election day, we end up with something far, FAR worse. If you like the sound of the word President immediately followed by the names Romney, Bachmann, Huckabee, Pence, Palin, Gingrich, or some other conservative plutocrat Republican, fine – go ahead and ditch the President. But don’t come crying to me when, by 2015 or so, we have a Supreme Court stacked 8-1 in favor of social and economic conservatives, which is exactly what will happen!

    • Krell says:

      I’m just not understanding this mindset of not being able to be critical of things that you find morally reprehensible.

      The idea of bring up this criticism is not even on the table? We have gotten to that point?

    • Gwendolyn H. Barry says:

      I understand your reasoning Jack. I would say, though, that until we break this awful “settling for” and don’t address being kicked under the bus by old blue corporate Democrats, then we will never clean up the environment, regulate banking and wall street, allow medical companies to dictate the rate of health and wealth in this country… you KNOW all of the arguments. The only message we have to send in the country is unified voting. We bought a bunch of illusions with candidate Obama. President Obama has been more than a let down.
      NONE OF US would vote for or advocate voting for Republicans and to say that because we have committed ourselves and our presence online to CHANGE THE OLD PARADIGM IN THE DEMOCRAT PARTY is just not accurate. We care deeply … and we are committed like you. We are just not settling for old way. We HOPE to really make a CHANGE.
      More importantly, our values and ethics are the same… we should at least support our differences with each other and walk up the mountain together.

  9. Jack Jodell says:

    People, don’t even bother attacking my viewpoint on this yet. Just read my post midday tomorrow over at http://jackjodell.blogspot.com/ and see if you don’t agree with me then.

  10. Morgalla says:

    Uncritical support of a candidate is just as noxious as uncritical parenting. Constructive criticism and calling out bad behavior may not make you popular, but it is a key component of both good parenting, and good citizenship.

    It is like a big game of “Yeah- but” that I play with my kids every time I point out they need to fix a mistake:
    “You need to vacuum up that stuff you brought in on your shoes”
    “Yeah- but my brother tracked in more than I did.”

    “You can’t hit the cat with that stick!”
    “Yeah- but I’m not hitting it that hard. Billy next door hits his cat harder than that.”

    “Don’t pour that weedkiller all over the garden!”
    “Yeah- but there was a dandelion in the middle of your tulips. I’m doing you a favor!”

    I truly think Obama went into office with high hopes that he might be able to achieve the things he promised. Really, I do. I know the Republicans have been there every step of the way, throwing one roadblock after another in front of him. He will admittedly have to compromise on some things. I agree he has done many good things, far more than the previous inhabitant of the oval office did.

    Does that mean things are all sparkly and full of rainbows? That I should just be happy that “at least he isn’t Republican” and keep my mouth shut when I disagree? Should I just be happy with the fact he isn’t completely evil- or that “he means well” but can’t seem to make this a reality in policy?

    Sitting in complacent silence, or worse, making one excuse after another for why things are sucking more for the common man every single day is not going to help our futures one bit.

    There might still be hope for him IF THE PEOPLE make their voices heard loud and clear that they will not stand for human rights abuses and kowtowing to corporate interests. That means Progressives- who obviously are up in arms over a lot of things need to motivate the apathetic Democrats (who need to get their shit together long enough to come together on an issue) to make a stand and DEMAND changes to policy from this person we elected.

    Why do the batshit crazy teabaggers even succeed? Because they imagine that they are fed up.
    Where is our moral outrage? Why aren’t we creating fear in our legislators that if they don’t do our bidding, we won’t elect them? It works for Republicans. Why not us?

    I’ll tell you why. Because half of us have already given up.
    By refusing to complain or demand changes we have become silent partners abetting our abusers.
    But by refusing to vote and then demand accountability from our elected officials, we forfeit our right to complain at all.

    Change doesn’t come from sitting around wishing for it. Change comes from motivating yourself and others to act.

    A good parent might have to withdraw a privilege if his kids are disobedient. A good citizen should do no less.

    • Gwendolyn H. Barry says:

      {I’ll tell you why. Because half of us have already given up.
      By refusing to complain or demand changes we have become silent partners abetting our abusers.} Savaged by inaction. You are absolutely right Morgan.

      I can’t forgive Obama this specific fear he has instilled in so many old Democrats. Youth, however, may be confused, but they are not buying it. It is our job to speak out and make a difference… to cling to our ethics and values, to do our best to shift the old paradigm and
      if we possibly can
      walk up the mountain with our Democrat buddies who are afraid of the alternative they can’t actually foresee ….

      And just a short note… send good thoughts, prayers, energy… whatever good you have
      to Japan. Please.

  11. The grievances with Obama mentioned above are valid and understandable . I could add a few, so I’m by no means into blindly supporting him. Yet, Jack Jodell’s argument is compelling.

    The sad, uncomfortable truth is that some presidents of one’s own party or preferred persuasion disappoint. But charging ahead with disregard for the alternative, for the likely consequences, is a recipe for making things much worse.

    Split the Democratic Party or the Democratic /progessive vote and you will make the Republicans’ job easy. You will also save the U.S. Chamber of Commerce, the Koch’s, the Waltons and all the rest lots and lots of money.

    I wonder, has anyone here written to the president, snail mail or e-mail, to voice your complaints and concerns? Have you been to a local Democratic Party meeting and spoken up? There’s obviously no guarantee that doing either will swing things to where you want them. I do think a steady stream of mail, blog posts, letters to the editor of local newspapers and such creates a buzz that registers on the White House and national Democratic Party’s radar.

  12. Bastet G. says:

    Unfortunately Obama is probably going to be our BEST hope – and I’m being totally serious. All one has to do is look at Wisconsin and see what happened when pissed off dems stayed home in disappointment in the whole hope and change results and didn’t vote in the midterm elections and everything got turned over to the GOP.

    Now look what the other side is doing: going batshitcrazy. I grant you that Obama is extremely disappointing in MANY ways especially on the wars, Guantanamo, torture, Wall Street – I could go on and on – but the country is too brainwashed to vote for a third party candidate in the numbers necessary to win. What WOULD be fantastic is if both the TeaPartiers AND Progressives had third party candidates – maybe that would really throw a wrench into the plans of the large corporations that control both parties + the TeaParty.

    I think a more viable option is for Progressives/lefties/ Greenies/ Socialists/ Commies to TAKE OVER the democratic party – completely- and push out those fucking blue dogs to the republican side where they belong – which might serve to push out the crazy extreme righties into the TeaParty or the KKK or wherever it is they belong… maybe on another planet? I also wish that unicorns were real and I could have a cat that talked but that ain’t gonna happen. I wish that Obama had turned out to be more than he was supposed to be…. 😦

    • oso says:

      Well put Bastet G, thank you for the comments and for reading. We DO need to take the party back from the direction it went, the direction of triangulation. Like it to be the Democratic party I remember (perhaps too fondly as happens when remembering the ‘good old days’) when we were proud liberal Dems hitting bricks on the picket lines, feeling our political party had our back.

  13. Gwendolyn H. Barry says:

    S.W. & Bastet: We are not the ‘batshit crazy’ side. Progressives are NOT PROGRESSing. The are taking up the shoot for fear of what could be worse. Unwilling to risk the very thing they thought they voted for, CHANGE. Obama’s office called the Progressive / Liberal “faction” of the Democrats RETARDS… which is pretty apt when you consider being tharn in fear of what would be worse. Well, it’s like having a “sane” Republican in the White House now…(?) Because you can make book on the President bending over and grabbing his ankles at beginning of any ‘bipartisanship’ with Republicans. He capitulates always. We should not complain and throw that out of office? We should shake and quake under the threat of what would be worse? It’s a bad as it can be…. given another four years (which I’m sure he will get)… he’ll do more damage.

  14. tnlib says:

    I don’t know of one Democrat, liberal, progressive or whatever who has ever said or even implied that “that disagreeing with anything that Obama is doing is a vote for the Republicans.” That’s total bullshit and indicates a complete misunderstanding of what some of us are trying to get across and that is that we have a much bigger enemy, a more serious threat in our country with the very, very real possibility of a fascist form of government. Like most extremists you are intolerant of those who don’t agree with you. I do not by any means agree with all of Obama’s decisions and am furious with the Democratic wet noodles in Congress, but the alternative is nothing but disaster.

    That picture belongs in the toilet with your extremist buds on the right.

    • Morgalla says:

      I don’t know of one Democrat, liberal, progressive or whatever who has ever said or even implied that “that disagreeing with anything that Obama is doing is a vote for the Republicans.” That’s total bullshit and indicates a complete misunderstanding of what some of us are trying to get across and that is that we have a much bigger enemy, a more serious threat in our country with the very, very real possibility of a fascist form of government.

      But that is the point, isn’t it? People on this very thread, plus in comments on FB and in the blogosphere are constantly suggesting that the Progressive faction, by disagreeing with or being disappointed by Obama, are going to be responsible for handing the country over to the Republicans. (an idea I think we can all agree is appalling).

      The midterm Republican victories resulted largely from people disgusted with Obama (people who voted for him to begin with) staying away and not voting. Many of these were people for whom change did not come quickly enough, or who might have only voted to be sure something “changed”. Upon seeing “same shit, different face” they give up on the process, feeling the system is broken.

      We at Roundtree7 have never advocated that as a means to “send a message.” Dropping out of the system is the complete opposite of what we are about.

      We are attempting to, as Bastet so eloquently put it:

      TAKE OVER the democratic party – completely- and push out those fucking blue dogs to the republican side where they belong – which might serve to push out the crazy extreme righties into the TeaParty

      Of course we will support whoever ends up running against the Republican nominee. To imply otherwise is to miss the point. We need to shift the party mindset to be more representative of true liberals. You know, the ones against torture, for civil rights, pro-environment…

      Change the paradigm. Recognize that what we are calling a “democrat” is really a “moderate Republican” which is ironically a breed that no longer exists because the Republican’s own paradigm has already shifted so far right it approaches fascism.

      I do not feel this is an “extreme” position. It is a position that needs to win if the country is going to continue for another 200 years.

    • misspro says:

      Well said tnlib, not the only thing that belongs in the toilet. Ker-rist what pretend intellectual garbage.

  15. Gwendolyn H. Barry says:

    Perfectly status quo. Why rock the boat? The fear that there will be a fate worse than the absolute whipping the People of this country are taking under present leadership should not be questioned re: 1. listening to the constituency that elected it? 2. keeping an inadequate status quo that allows banking, insurance and the general company store political value in the White House now? 3. Abandoning what rights we have left to apply 1st Amendment and present to leadership that they serve at the pleasure of the People who elected them and if they don’t reflect those basic campaigned on values then they should worry that we are displeased enough to look for a new leader? You condemn us LIBERALS to abandon our American attitudes?
    AND you are not saying that suggesting these things is tantamount to giving the Republicans the high ground to the White House?? (…. frankly it kinda looks like they already have it.) President Obama has failed on his major campaign promises.
    And he has consistently sided with major corporate business. This is an opinion I share with my team and there are facts to consider it valid.

    I’m not intolerant of those who think otherwise … many friends here on FB disagree with me and think that Obama is the ‘lesser of two evils’ or doing ‘what he can under the circumstances’. I understand that argument. I’m not intolerant of it, either. I’m defensive to some with that opinion who condemn me for mine. But honestly… I don’t think any one of the team of authors who posted this piece think that anyone who disagrees honestly with us should take a swim in the toilet.

    Oh, and btw, as a symbol of how this team sees the ongoing policies of the President, it’s perfectly represented.

  16. timwaters1 says:

    As a matter of record, I have written the White House, President Obama, his local Reps. and Robert Gibbs. I received nothing in return except a web address to send my concerns to. In all of those I explained why they would never again get a penny from me. Of course I’m not one of their favorites, I’m sure. I’d tell Obama to his face what I think if given the chance. Some of you know me and have no doubt that’s exactly what I’d do.

    So if we are to be good little lemmings, we need to have a stiff upper lip and say nothing.
    Can’t be critical of this man or Palin may be President. We’ve become that afraid, wow.
    I will not, and refuse to be compliant in the face of adversity. This country is shit, and I won’t just go along for the ride because of fear.
    You know, I never stood by whenever the little guy was being pissed on and I don’t expect to now. Quite frankly, who ever is in the White House and is doing things as badly as Obama, I’ll be vocal about it. Let me sum this up as I can write all day about it. I feel it’s our duty to say what we feel, and that’s all not just negative. I find myself defending Obama as a Man more times than I can think. The term that sticks in my craw is when we’re called whiners. I find that shocking, as I heard some of you say it.
    When and if it comes down to Obama or a teabagger Republican, I’ll vote for Obama.
    If people do stay home, Obama has no one to blame except himself. As it was said, I lot of first time voters have become disenfranchised with politics. They see it’s the same old song with a different beat. So much for change you can believe in.

  17. Krell says:

    I completely understand the theory of “Lesser of two evils”, in fact I wrote a post dedicated to that concept… that we mustn’t allow the Republicans to get in power.

    But is it not possible to work within the Democratic party to try and change it’s direction. Doesn’t “Platforms” get built based on the core beliefs of the constituents?
    I am a realist in saying for now, a two party system is the cards that are dealt.Why does it have to be a package that you take or leave, yes or no?

    Is the prevailing thought now that no matter what the Democrat does, even if the “Democrat ” does exactly the same as the person that you voted out, then they must be supported as the whole package, take it or leave it?

  18. I love what you are doing over here because you are making America aware of what a loathsome creature Barack Obama really is. I only object to the picture that you are using because it insults Mr. Bush. Keep up the good work friends and consider contacting us as it appear we have some common goals.

    • Krell says:

      Apparently you have this site confused, Rachel.

      We do not like the actions and choices that Mr Obama has made. We want to be a voice for change, a voice that might steer the direction that Obama has taken. But some of those actions are a continuation of the actions that Mr Bush started.

      So in a way, it’s reversed from what you state. It is a sad state of affairs that we have to insult Mr. Obama by saying he is acting like Mr. Bush.

      But approve of his policies or not, do not ever refer to Mr. Obama as loathsome creature again. Save that tripe for the other sites suitable for teabag types like yourself.

  19. “We should shake and quake under the threat of what would be worse? It’s a bad as it can be…. given another four years (which I’m sure he will get)… he’ll do more damage.”

    No need to shake and quake, but I disagree about it being “as bad as it can be.” It can be a whole lot worse, and from 2001-2008, it was.

    FWIW, working within the Democratic Party is exactly what’s needed. Liberals need to take over and start steering the party and its message the way radical conservatives took over the GOP. It can happen if enough people work and donate to make it happen.

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